Ernest Hill

Oldham Tribunal 8 March 1916
Reported Oldham Standard 11 March 1916

Ernest Hill, a clerk, objected to either combatant or non-combatant service and declared himself a member of the No-Conscription Fellowship adding that he had held a conscientious objection to war ever since he was old enough to think for himself. He was only 19 now. He was a member of the Henshaw Street Primitive Methodist Church. "I believe," he told the Tribunal. "that all war is wrong and I am prepared to suffer as much in support of that principle as the men who are fighting are suffering for their principles. To me warfare is nothing else but wholesale murder."

In reply to Councillor Schofield the man said that he was employed in a mill which was doing war work but that was no fault of his and he failed to see that his conscience should dictate to him that he should leave that work.

Captain Almond went further and suggested that if a man was not satisfied with the country in which he lived and was not prepared to uphold its cause, he should get out of it. "England," the Captain added, "is for Englishmen at the present time."

"I am going to stay in England," retorted the applicant, "because I believe it is a national duty to stay here and advocate peace."

Captain: It would be when the time for peace comes but that will not be until such time as the Belgians are avenged and the lads from Oldham who have lost their lives have been avenged.

The man objected to Councillor Frith's suggestion that whilst he was not prepared to take part in fighting, he apparently had no objection to earning money at the expense of the fellows who were prepared to do the fighting.

The man was passed for non-combatant service.

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South East Lancashire Appeal Tribunal at Manchester Town Hall 30 March 1916
Reported Oldham Chronicle 1 April 1916 (the following is an extract)

The South-east Lancashire Appeal Tribunal sitting at the Town Hall Manchester on Thursday afternoon heard appeals for total exemption from service made by a number of young men of Oldham, conscientious objectors, who had been sent to non-combatant service in most cases by the Oldham Tribunal and in a few cases to combatant service ….

…. Ernest Hill a clerk of 217 Horsedge Street wrote that even if it meant death he would not take part in war and betray his conscience.

Appeal dismissed.

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John Amey, Samuel Amey, Charles Henry Taylor, Harry Palmer, James Hill [his brother], Ernest Hill

Oldham Magistrates' Court 28 April 1916
Reported Oldham Chronicle 28 April 1916

A special session of magistrates was held this (Friday) morning at the Oldham Town Hall to deal with six cases under the Military Service Act. The men charged were:
Samuel Amey (27) of 83 Burlington Avenue, clerk
Charles Henry Taylor (24) of 5 Studley Street, cop packer
Harry Palmer (25) of 370 Huddersfield Road
John Amey (23) of 8 Trinity Street, clerk
James Hill (24) of 217 Horsedge Street, tinsmith
Ernest Hill (19) of 217 Horsedge Street, clerk

In the public gallery a large number of friends and relatives of the defendants gathered and the Rev M Ph Davies also sat there.
The justices on the bench were Mr John Grime (in the chair) and Mr Albert Horrobin.

The Chief Constable said the six men were charged with being absentees under the Military Service Act 1896. They had all had notices sent to them by the military authorities to report themselves at the Swan Hotel on the 25th and they had failed to report.

The Clerk (Mr Hesketh Booth) asked the elder Amey whether he admitted that.
Amey: Yes
The Chief Constable: That you have had the notice?
- Yes
The Clerk: What excuse have you?
Amey: I claim that there is a conscience clause in the Act and owing to its maladministration we have been denied our right under it. Members of the Oldham Tribunal, and Alderman Hirst in a letter to the press, stated that they could not grant absolute exemption for conscientious objection but later on, a letter was issued by Mr Walter Long stating that they could and I think we should have a retrial. When we came before Judge Mellor at Manchester he referred us to the Pelham Committee and we have had no opportunity of appearing before the committee to see what work of national importance could be found for us.

The Clerk: I don't know that the magistrates can do anything to give effect to your objection. You have lost your appeal in both cases.
Amey: The local tribunal gave us exemption from combatant service and, if they had been rightly informed as to the law, they might have given us total exemption.
The Clerk: The magistrates have no power over that.
Amey: I don't think we have had a fair trial.
The Clerk: I have no doubt that some of the tribunals have conducted their business in a way I should not approve of myself but I don't think the magistrates can interfere with it.

Amey: With regard to Judge Mellor referring us to the Pelham Committee, the military authorities have not given us time to find work of national importance and I think the case might be adjourned for that purpose. If the military authorities will suspend this warrant we may possibly get some redress from that source.

The clerk (to Sergeant Major Bailey): What do you say to that?
Sergeant Major Bailey: I think they had better be handed over to the military authorities and let them deal with it.
The Chief Constable said that Captain Aked thought that was the proper course.
The Clerk said he was not sure of that. He did not agree with everything the military authorities did. They were very often wrong.

Amey said that if they were handed over to the military authorities they would not have the bench to appeal to and they would not be likely to get any redress. He thought, in view of Judge Mellor's remarks, they ought to have a postponement to enable the committee to state what was work of national importance.

The Chairman: I think you have had two chances and you ought to go now. You have been before two courts.

Amey said there were some of them who would have to resist if they were forced into the army, but they felt they could undertake certain work of a civil character of national importance but not to release another man to go to fight.

The Chairman: I have no sympathy with you. Others have had to go before you and at a time like this the question of conscience --------
Amey: But the Act provides a conscience clause for us and the tribunal was under a misapprehension.
The Clerk: Yes, I know they were and there has been a decision of the Court of Appeal against you on that point, a decision that I don't agree with.

Taylor, on being asked what he had to say, said that he associated himself with what Amey had said. Palmer did likewise and went on to add that Judge Mellor at the Appeal Tribunal told them that they were beyond him and that he handed them over to the Pelham Committee, that they should trust the government who had said that they would find them work of national importance. If they were handed over to the military authorities now, they would never be permitted to get before that committee.

The Clerk: I don't know. I should think you could. Do you say that they would say you have no right to go before that committee?
Taylor said he knew that it had been done and men had been told that the Pelham Committee had no standing and that they had to report themselves.
The Clerk: You are all in the non-combatant section?
- Yes.
The Chairman: Isn't it all trying to waste time?
- No.
The Chairman: I think it is.

Amey said he was a clerk in the Education Committee's office and, as far as the Pelham Committee had reported, education was included as a work of national importance.
The Chief Constable: He would keep his job here.

James Hill, when asked what he had to say, said they claimed the same right as a Christadelphian who was before the magistrates on the previous day. He was a Primitive Methodist and he claimed to have the same right to exemption as a Christadelphian. He did not think a member of one denomination should be exempt and others not.
The Chief Constable said that that case had not finally been disposed of but had only been withdrawn pending consideration.

Amey said he thought a similar course ought to be taken in the present cases.
The Clerk: How long do you want it adjourned for?
Amey: I don't think the Pelham Committee have finally reported yet. He said he could produce a copy of the report in the "Daily News" of Judge Mellor's remarks.

Mr Horrobin: That is not an official report.
Amey: No. but it is proof positive that the remarks were made. ----- Amey was unable to find his copy of the report but a friend in the gallery called out to say that he had one and this was brought down by the constable who was on duty in the gallery.

It was handed to the Clerk who perused it and read aloud a passage in which Judge Mellor, presiding at the Appeal Tribunal in Manchester, was reported to have said: "Parliament had done its best to meet such cases as theirs and had established a committee to consider what useful service they could be put to. He did not understand it, but it rested with that committee."
Amey: Yes that's it.

The defendants as nothing further to say and the Clerk and the justices had a somewhat lengthy and apparently heated consultation, in the course of which Mr Booth appeared to be emphasising a view which was not held by the magistrates. When the consultation concluded:

The Chairman said they were of the opinion that the defendants ought to have surrendered themselves and they would be fined 40s each and handed over to the military escort.

The defendants were then marched out of the court in charge of a sergeant, a corporal and a private of the Manchester Regiment and several police officers. There was a good deal of handshaking and farewells in the corridor, after which the defendants were taken downstairs to the police cells and shortly afterwards they were escorted to Clegg Street Station en route for Ashton Barracks.

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Oldham Tribunal 2 August 1917
Reported Oldham Chronicle 4 August 1917

Ernest Hill (20) of Horsedge Street, Oldham, cop packer at Ram Spinning Mill came before Oldham Tribunal on Thursday. He had been granted exemption from combatant service in March 1916 after that he was rejected. Now his appeal came up again.

Letters were read from Rev H Davenport and Mr Anthony Spencer of the Primitive Methodist Church, Henshaw Street in support of the young man's claim.

He held a conscientious objection against military service. Rev Davenport wrote that he was unable to agree with Hill's construction of Bible teaching but believed him certainly sincere. Mr Spencer was sure that Hill had a deep seated conviction opposed to any form of military service on conscientious grounds.

The appeal was disallowed and Hill was granted exemption from combatant service.

He has an entry on the Pearce List HERE.

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Born Oldham, 31 July 1896
Died Widnes, 14 November 1952

1911 census:
The two brothers, James and Ernest, lived at 1, Frederick Street, Oldham with their parents James & Hannah.
Also there was brother Joseph Hill, age 24, who was also a CO.another brother and two sisters.
James age 19 was an apprentice tin-plate worker (Gas Meters)
Ernest age 14 was an apprentice Flyer maker (in the textile industry).

1939 Register :
96 Norlands Lane, Widnes
With wife Mary, no children listed.
Occ. Time keeper building contractors, War Office contract

Contributed by Dorothy Bintley