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James Pinder
of Oldham
1887 - 1927

James was one of four Oldham born brothers, the sons of Abraham and Agnes Pinder, three of whom are known to have enlisted in the army during the Great War. Two would survive the war, one would die and one would receive the Military Medal.

The eldest brother, John, was born in early 1886, James in late 1887 and Samuel in early 1897. There was also another brother, Eli, born in 1890 and a sister, Ethel, born in late 1891.

In 1891 the family was living on Osborne Street, Westwood and Abraham was a joiner by trade.
In 1901 the family were living on Minor Street, in Werneth and 13 year old James was recorded as an 'iron moulder'. John was recorded as a 'tool fitter'.
In 1906 their father, Abraham, died and in summer 1908 James' eldest brother, John, married Minnie Bradbury. Their daughter, also called Minnie, was born in early 1910 and on the 1911 census the young family were living on Selborne Street.

In 1911, James was living on Quebec Street with his widowed mother, younger siblings Eli and Ethel and their maternal grandfather, John Kenworthy. James was still employed as an iron moulder.

James married Nellie Beaman at St Andrews Church, Middleton Road and their first child, Hilda, was born in November 1914.

JOHN PINDER

By August 1914, John was already a member of the 1/10 Battalion of the Manchester Regiment, the Oldham Territorials and, when war was declared and the Territorials were embodied, he volunteered to serve overseas.
In June 1915, he 'died of wounds' in the Gallipoli invasion.

SAMUEL PINDER

Samuel's Military Service Records survive and show that he enlisted as a private with the 24th Manchester Regiment (the Oldham Comrades) in April 1915. His regimental number was 15271.
On 23rd February 1918 it was reported in the London Gazette that he had been awarded the Military Medal ... 'On October 22nd, 1917, the company to which Pte. Samuel Pinder, 15271, belonged was heavily shelled near Dumbarton lakes and incurred four casualties, including himself. Though badly wounded he picked up a Lance-Corporal who had been severely wounded, and carried him out of the shelled area and dressed his wounds.' [
from 'The Oldham Battalion Battalion of Comrades (24th battalion Manchester Regiment) Book of Honour' pub 1920, p.56 HERE]

He survived the war and was demobbed in March 1919..

JAMES PINDER

We know, from the many surviving photographs and cards that James Pinder enclosed in letters sent to Nellie, that he served in the army. However, his Service Records don't appear to have survived and his medal card hasn't been identified with any certainty.

His service seems to have begun in England, and there are cards from coastal locations on the east coast, along the south coast, Conway and the Isle of Man. These are followed by numerous cards from India and reference in 1918 to having got his stripes for 3 years overseas service in India.
It therefore seems possible that his early service was on home defence and then later in India which was not a recognised 'theatre of war'. Apparently, the regular and experienced soldiers, of the British Army, were withdrawn from garrison and defensive roles in India, to serve in areas of conflict and were replaced by the less experienced, but trained, Territorials.
Could James have been in the Territorials, like his brother, but, being married and with a baby on the way, didn't choose to volunteer for overseas service in 1914?

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Photo/postcard from James to Nell

Photo/postcard from James to Nell
(I.O.M imprinted on corner)

'the Madeira Road and Promenade
by the Aquarium, Brighton.

Air Shaft Guard, Balcombe

Air Shaft Guard, Balcombe

Red Cross Hospital, Balcombe

 

In Camp at Marske

 

High Street, Crawley

High Street, Crawley

 

Conway Estuary

Conway Estuary

 

Margate, Buenos Ayres

Margate from Buenos Ayres
View from James' billet.

 

Airships British

'H.M.A. Delta' at Crawley

landlady and billet

Photo/postcard from James to Nell

Lighthouse, Margate

Model Yacht Pond, Margate
Guarding the Lighthouse

James Pinder in India

James Pinder
in India

At some point, date unknown, he embarked on board the SS 'Euripides' for service overseas.

The British built 'Euripides' had been in Australia when war broke out and was requisitioned by the government to transport ANZAC troops. However, there were infrequent returns to England when it appears that she would also transport a number of British troops, to a foreign destination, whilst on her return journeys to Australia.

James' destination was India.

'Euripides

'Euripides'

Rest Camp Pathankot
Rest Camp Pathankot

Rest Camp Pathankot

 

Barracks at Dalhousie
Barracks at Dalhousie

Barracks at Dalhousie

 


Balun Depot, Dalhousie

Balun Depot, Dalhousie

 


Dhar Rest Camp

Dhar Rest Camp

 

Monument Old Fort, Mooltan
Monument Old Fort, Mooltan

Monument Old Fort, Mooltan

Amritsar City
Amritsar City

Amritsar City

Garrison M. Police at Dalhousie
Garrison M. Police at Dalhousie

Garrison M. Police at Dalhousie

James Pinder and Fred Brierley
James Pinder and Fred Brierley

James Pinder and Fred Brierley

James returned home to his family, after the war although the date of his demob is not known.

James and Nell lived on Bolton Street, Glodwick after his return to civilian life and they had 4 more daughters.
In 1927, after an accident at work, which led to blood poisoning, James died, at the early age of 39, leaving his widow Nell to bring up their 5 young daughters. Hilda, the eldest, left school to work in the cotton mill and help bring up the younger children.

If you recognise the movements of this batallion and can identify it, with the Regiment, we would be very grateful if you would let us know and send this information to the email address .

Contributed by : Sue Fishenden

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With grateful thanks to Ken Foster who sent us the following additional information:

The men of the National Reserve were retained for 'Home Service' and came under the organisation of the local Territorial Association. In late August 1914 an order from the War Office allowed members of the National Reserve, who were not over the age of 42 years, to enlist in the reserve or extra reserve battalions of the Territorial Force.

James Pinder enlisted in the Territorials of the Manchester Regiment. His original service number is not known therefore we can't give an exact date but it's most likely he enlisted September/October 1914.

The National Reservists were formed into supernumerary Companies within the 2nd line (Home Service) Battalions of the Territorial Force. Pte Pinder was posted to the 2/8th Battalion. The second line TF Battalions Manchester Regiment (2/5 to 2/10) formed part of the 66th (2nd East Lancashire) Division. The 2/8th Battalion was in the 199th (Manchester) Brigade. The Division was stationed at Crowborough East Sussex from May 1915 to March 1916. While at Crowborough the supernumerary companies were largely employed on guarding duties and coastal defence in Kent and Sussex.

On the 29th November 1915 a War Office Instruction created a number of Territorial Battalions formed from the supernumerary Companies of National Reservists. These Battalions were located, largely for administrative purposes, within the Rifle Brigade. They were managed by the London TF and had little or no connection to the regiment.
Pte Pinder was posted to the 23rd (North Western) Battalion and numbered 717. This Battalion was recruited mainly from the Manchester, King's Liverpool and South Lancashire Regiments.

The 23rd Battalion Rifle Brigade was sent to India for garrison duty. Pte. Pinder embarked with the main body on or before the 8th February 1916. Initially stationed at Multan they were later posted to Bareilly with one company stationed at Amritsar. He was to remain in India until 6th April 1919.

He was renumbered 205940 on the renumbering of the TF (Infantry) in March 1917. He did not serve in a theatre of war but as he had 'left his native shore' was awarded the British War Medal.

 

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